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Crisp Hiking
Yesterday's 8-mile hike was mostly just covering miles. It was dreary, even a few drizzles of rain. Not much to see.
But, when I stepped outside today I was greeted by Orion, Cassiopeia, the Pleiades, Ursa Major, and Polaris. A perfectly bright, crystal clear night sky making it easy for a quick review of the constellations and direction finding, even though it was just a bit before 7:00am. That will all change this weekend when the clocks get kicked back an hour - Don't Forget!!!
I was also greeted with frost since it was 30°F and it didn't take long for my knees and rear to get cold. Just overnight the small pond along the trail froze completely across. It will melt today, but it's certainly a sign of what's coming.
Tomorrow, I'll have to switch to warmer pants from my zip-off nylons. If you are interested in forecast and historic weather info for your location, I've found that wunderground.com is a good site. If you use a different site, let me know.
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But, when I stepped outside today I was greeted by Orion, Cassiopeia, the Pleiades, Ursa Major, and Polaris. A perfectly bright, crystal clear night sky making it easy for a quick review of the constellations and direction finding, even though it was just a bit before 7:00am. That will all change this weekend when the clocks get kicked back an hour - Don't Forget!!!
I was also greeted with frost since it was 30°F and it didn't take long for my knees and rear to get cold. Just overnight the small pond along the trail froze completely across. It will melt today, but it's certainly a sign of what's coming.
Tomorrow, I'll have to switch to warmer pants from my zip-off nylons. If you are interested in forecast and historic weather info for your location, I've found that wunderground.com is a good site. If you use a different site, let me know.
Scout On
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Posted: 9:57 11-03-2011 698
Two Winners
Ah, you all know that you're winners in my book, but Lucie and Michelle are special winners today.
Michelle was selected this morning to receive the ClassB.com $50 coupon and Lucie got the $25 ScoutStuff.org gift card. Congratulations, ladies!
I appreciate the rest of the 1500 entries this month and in just 30 days you have another chance to win. So, visit the contest page and enter.
Chris sent me an email last month letting me know the August gift card was spent on some advancement items for a Bear den in Pack 582. I'm glad BoyScoutTrail could help out.
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Michelle was selected this morning to receive the ClassB.com $50 coupon and Lucie got the $25 ScoutStuff.org gift card. Congratulations, ladies!
I appreciate the rest of the 1500 entries this month and in just 30 days you have another chance to win. So, visit the contest page and enter.
Chris sent me an email last month letting me know the August gift card was spent on some advancement items for a Bear den in Pack 582. I'm glad BoyScoutTrail could help out.
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Posted: 12:45 11-01-2011 696
Boo
BOO
Watch out for goblins, gremlins, and ghosts on your way home from work tonight.
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Posted: 12:40 10-31-2011 695
Quilt vs. Bag
Here's my sleeping bag replacement for my long hikes starting in the spring. It's a quilt rather than a bag, well, it will be a quilt when I finish.
Right now, it's just instructions, a bunch of black yarn, some thread, a few yards of silver grey nylon fabric, and a big bag of polyester insulation. It's up to me to turn it into a 28F sleeping quilt.
Making Your Own Gear (MYOG) is a great way for scouts to reduce the cost of camping equipment, resulting in better, lighter gear. It's a great way to be Thrifty and self-sufficient, as well as learn sewing. Making gear can also be a great patrol or high adventure crew activity.
There are a few items, such as stoves, that aren't acceptable to be homemade in the BSA, and a few other items, like shoes, that don't make sense to MYOG. But, everything else is fair game. I hope to make my own quilt, shelter, pack, food cozy, water pre-filter, and maybe other items for my upcoming long hikes. It should cut about 60% out of my gear cost.
Sleeping quilts may be new to you - they are to me - but if you think of how a sleeping bag works, quilts make sense. You crawl into your sleeping bag on top of your pad and zip up the zipper. The insulation between you and the pad is now squished flat, resulting in no insulating effect. If you were to completely unzip your sleeping bag and lay it over you like a blanket, it would work just as well but would be way too wide.
A quilt is just like a sleeping bag except the heavy zipper is removed and the underbody portion is removed. This results in a much lighter item that lasts longer. It lasts longer because you are not constantly crushing the insulation every time you use it.
Similar to sleeping quilts are top bags which are sleeping bags with insulation only on top and a plain fabric layer on the bottom, or possibly a sleeve into which your sleeping pad fits.
This is my first MYOG project and I'll keep you posted on the results.
Scout On
Right now, it's just instructions, a bunch of black yarn, some thread, a few yards of silver grey nylon fabric, and a big bag of polyester insulation. It's up to me to turn it into a 28F sleeping quilt.
Making Your Own Gear (MYOG) is a great way for scouts to reduce the cost of camping equipment, resulting in better, lighter gear. It's a great way to be Thrifty and self-sufficient, as well as learn sewing. Making gear can also be a great patrol or high adventure crew activity.
There are a few items, such as stoves, that aren't acceptable to be homemade in the BSA, and a few other items, like shoes, that don't make sense to MYOG. But, everything else is fair game. I hope to make my own quilt, shelter, pack, food cozy, water pre-filter, and maybe other items for my upcoming long hikes. It should cut about 60% out of my gear cost.
Sleeping quilts may be new to you - they are to me - but if you think of how a sleeping bag works, quilts make sense. You crawl into your sleeping bag on top of your pad and zip up the zipper. The insulation between you and the pad is now squished flat, resulting in no insulating effect. If you were to completely unzip your sleeping bag and lay it over you like a blanket, it would work just as well but would be way too wide.
A quilt is just like a sleeping bag except the heavy zipper is removed and the underbody portion is removed. This results in a much lighter item that lasts longer. It lasts longer because you are not constantly crushing the insulation every time you use it.
Similar to sleeping quilts are top bags which are sleeping bags with insulation only on top and a plain fabric layer on the bottom, or possibly a sleeve into which your sleeping pad fits.
This is my first MYOG project and I'll keep you posted on the results.
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Posted: 14:11 10-28-2011 694
Sharing the Excitement
You never know what animals, scenery, and cool stuff you might see while hiking or camping. I get excited with the anticipation of seeing something new each morning of a campout, especially when I'm up early before the bugler. It might just be crystals of frost or a foggy sunrise, but there's always something - if you look for it.
On highly used paths around communities, it's usually just the squirrels and small chirping birds that I see. They don't really care about humans, but other animals tend to like their privacy and you rarely glimpse them.
The path I hike most mornings is busy. Lately, with the later sunrise and colder temperatures, I've had more time to myself and have seen much more wildlife - a raccoon, buck, red fox, and now an owl. I try to keep my eyes open and I noticed the owl perched on a limb about 40 feet off the trail.
After watching him awhile, I continued on and saw two women walking towards me. When they got closer, I pointed out where they might see the owl if they were interested. I saw that they stopped at the owl for a bit and then continued, so I assume they saw it.
Another group of four very talkative women, two bike riders, and three runners passed me. I didn't bother mentioning the owl to them because they were intent on their own little world, whether that was conversing or covering ground quickly. I expect they were getting what they wanted out of their time on the trail and didn't care if they missed one old bird.
Being out with scouts hiking or camping provides the opportunity to experience many such animal sightings as well as sunrises, scenic vistas, and caterpillars. Often times, a scout group will be more like those people in their own little world - chatting about stuff so loudly animals disappear or zoning out just waiting to get to the end of the day.
That's when a friend (like you) might find ways to share the excitement of what's around. A dead frog, the last leaf hanging on a branch, some bird flying too high to identify, the buckthorn that's the last green bush left before winter, all are small things that could be used to prompt conversation or at least contemplation. "I wonder how long that leaf will hang on?" "How do you think that frog would have survived winter if he didn't get squished?"
Maybe offer a challenge to have each person make up a story about where that high flying bird is going or a legend about 'Why Buckthorn Stays Green'.
Scout hikes allow you to experience a lot, but you have to reach out a bit to find it. If you're hiking along and notice that you're just looking at the ground coming towards you, stop and look up! You're missing out! Well, I'm off to hike 6 miles now - I wonder what I'll see?
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On highly used paths around communities, it's usually just the squirrels and small chirping birds that I see. They don't really care about humans, but other animals tend to like their privacy and you rarely glimpse them.
The path I hike most mornings is busy. Lately, with the later sunrise and colder temperatures, I've had more time to myself and have seen much more wildlife - a raccoon, buck, red fox, and now an owl. I try to keep my eyes open and I noticed the owl perched on a limb about 40 feet off the trail.
After watching him awhile, I continued on and saw two women walking towards me. When they got closer, I pointed out where they might see the owl if they were interested. I saw that they stopped at the owl for a bit and then continued, so I assume they saw it.
Another group of four very talkative women, two bike riders, and three runners passed me. I didn't bother mentioning the owl to them because they were intent on their own little world, whether that was conversing or covering ground quickly. I expect they were getting what they wanted out of their time on the trail and didn't care if they missed one old bird.
Being out with scouts hiking or camping provides the opportunity to experience many such animal sightings as well as sunrises, scenic vistas, and caterpillars. Often times, a scout group will be more like those people in their own little world - chatting about stuff so loudly animals disappear or zoning out just waiting to get to the end of the day.
That's when a friend (like you) might find ways to share the excitement of what's around. A dead frog, the last leaf hanging on a branch, some bird flying too high to identify, the buckthorn that's the last green bush left before winter, all are small things that could be used to prompt conversation or at least contemplation. "I wonder how long that leaf will hang on?" "How do you think that frog would have survived winter if he didn't get squished?"
Maybe offer a challenge to have each person make up a story about where that high flying bird is going or a legend about 'Why Buckthorn Stays Green'.
Scout hikes allow you to experience a lot, but you have to reach out a bit to find it. If you're hiking along and notice that you're just looking at the ground coming towards you, stop and look up! You're missing out! Well, I'm off to hike 6 miles now - I wonder what I'll see?
Scout On
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Posted: 6:14 10-26-2011 691
Where's that AED?
Have you seen this sign before?
It's the ILCOR approved universal AED sign. It indicates the presence of or direction to an AED. ILCOR = International Liaison Committee on Resuscitation. AED = Automated External Defibrillator
Keep your eyes open for these signs whenever you enter a public building and see how many you find. There's a good chance you won't find many in the USA or UK. That's because other signs have been adopted already and are more common. Hopefully, that will change so a universally used symbol will actually be universal, or at least global.
This is the sign you will likely see to identify AED locations in the USA.
This weekend, I got to help out a bit at the council's Campmaster Training session. I was asked to speak about recent CPR changes and AED use. All the council camps have AEDs, but there were lots of questions about where to locate them, annual maintenance, and policies.
We also discussed some first aid questions and recent directives about what first aid kit support was required by the camps. I'm afraid I wasn't much help with directives and policies, but the CPR and First Aid discussion was fun.
All adult BSA volunteers should get CPR and AED certification. It's easy and sends a good message to the families in, and considering joining, your unit.
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It's the ILCOR approved universal AED sign. It indicates the presence of or direction to an AED. ILCOR = International Liaison Committee on Resuscitation. AED = Automated External Defibrillator
Keep your eyes open for these signs whenever you enter a public building and see how many you find. There's a good chance you won't find many in the USA or UK. That's because other signs have been adopted already and are more common. Hopefully, that will change so a universally used symbol will actually be universal, or at least global.
This is the sign you will likely see to identify AED locations in the USA.
This weekend, I got to help out a bit at the council's Campmaster Training session. I was asked to speak about recent CPR changes and AED use. All the council camps have AEDs, but there were lots of questions about where to locate them, annual maintenance, and policies.
We also discussed some first aid questions and recent directives about what first aid kit support was required by the camps. I'm afraid I wasn't much help with directives and policies, but the CPR and First Aid discussion was fun.
All adult BSA volunteers should get CPR and AED certification. It's easy and sends a good message to the families in, and considering joining, your unit.
Scout On
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Posted: 8:30 10-24-2011 689
Heading Out in the World
A past scout was in town this week so I got to have coffee with him today (well, I had cocoa). Turns out he's heading to New Zealand tomorrow morning, taking a semester off from college to see the world. Good for him!
His plan is to do some hiking and work a couple months on an organic farm for room and board. He needs to be back to start school in January, but other than that his schedule is flexible. He heard about the Rena running aground 14 miles off the coast and may change his plans to see about helping with that clean-up effort.
What a great time of life with few commitments, high hopes, and overflowing enthusiasm. That sense of adventure and exploration is what drives inventors, artists, entrepreneurs, and pretty much all of us to some extent. I'm excited to know this one scout is heading out into the world with just his pack on his back and his head on his shoulders.
I've consistently heard from scouts that their time in the troop really made a difference in how they handle challenges. Whether it's guiding a college backpacking club, studying abroad alone, or leading in the military, they've recalled their outdoor, leadership, and self-sufficiency skills when needed.
That's always good to hear.
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Posted: 16:31 10-20-2011 688
Loon Migration
Last day to Win $500 Camping Gear - don't miss out.
I heard and then say the first Loon migrating south on my hike this morning.
You can watch individually banded loon migration activity at this USGS page. Over the next month or so, the loons will be heading south to the Gulf of Mexico - smart birds!
Migrations mean that scouts looking to identify plants and animals for advancement are running out of opportunities for the next 5 or 6 months around here. With the leaves off the trees, snow covering the ground, and most animals holed up or basking on southern beaches, it gets very difficult to identify 10 animals and 10 plants.
I believe identifying them is more than pointing to a picture - since the aim of the requirement is to become aware of the surrounding nature, finding the plants and animals for real is how it should be done.
A gentle reminder at the next troop meeting to finish summer time requirements might save a few scouts some frustration over the winter.
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I heard and then say the first Loon migrating south on my hike this morning.
You can watch individually banded loon migration activity at this USGS page. Over the next month or so, the loons will be heading south to the Gulf of Mexico - smart birds!
Migrations mean that scouts looking to identify plants and animals for advancement are running out of opportunities for the next 5 or 6 months around here. With the leaves off the trees, snow covering the ground, and most animals holed up or basking on southern beaches, it gets very difficult to identify 10 animals and 10 plants.
I believe identifying them is more than pointing to a picture - since the aim of the requirement is to become aware of the surrounding nature, finding the plants and animals for real is how it should be done.
A gentle reminder at the next troop meeting to finish summer time requirements might save a few scouts some frustration over the winter.
Scout On
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Posted: 10:21 10-18-2011 686
Animal Behavior
On the trail this morning, there was a big dark blob far ahead. In the early morning gloom, I couldn't make it out but it was certainly not there yesterday.
It moved.
Oh, just a rodent, another raccoon scrounging around getting into mischief. But, as I walked closer, it didn't scurry off. As a matter of fact, it looked my way and started coming towards me.
Now, wait a minute. I'm 6-1, 175 pounds and he's 1-2, 20 pounds. Why's he coming at me?
"Hey, go away! Hyah, move it!" Nothing, he just keeps waddling towards me so I start backstepping to keep 20 feet or so between us.
He stopped. I stopped and watched. He kind of teetered and swayed like a drunk trying to stay upright.
Now there's no food that he's protecting. No young ones. I can't see or think of anything that makes his behvior make sense. So, I figure there's something wrong with this guy and I'm not about to get bit or scratched by some zombie raccoon.
Since I was in no hurry, I just watched him. He swayed. He turned. He took a few awkward, uncoordinated steps. I waited.
When he finally got over to the side of this wide trail with his back to me, I quickstepped past him on the other side of the trail. He didn't twitch, budge, or react.
So, how should we interact with animals we meet? We should minimize our impact and respect wildlife according to Leave No Trace principles. If our presence is affecting the animal's behavior then we are too close and should remove ourselves from the area.
Normally, an animal will scurry away from humans, recognizing us as threats. You've probably seen squirrels, chipmunks, birds, snakes, rabbits, maybe even turkey, deer, and fox while out hiking. They will run, fly, or slither away as fast as they can until they feel safe. Sometimes just a few feet to stop and look at you. At that point, our reaction should be to continue down the trail, leaving them alone.
But, if their behavior is inconsistent with what is normally expected then the situation might be dangerous. They may feel threatened and cornered, they may have young to protect, or they may be sick. In those cases, any animal may hold its ground or even attack.
When outdoors, keep your eyes and ears open for animals. If you notice any strange behavior, give ground and move away, probably back the way you came. Keep your eye on the animal. When the aggressive behavior stops or you feel you are a safe distance, watch the animal and make a plan. If you wait long enough, most likely the animal will move off the trail and you can continue.
It moved.
Oh, just a rodent, another raccoon scrounging around getting into mischief. But, as I walked closer, it didn't scurry off. As a matter of fact, it looked my way and started coming towards me.
Now, wait a minute. I'm 6-1, 175 pounds and he's 1-2, 20 pounds. Why's he coming at me?
"Hey, go away! Hyah, move it!" Nothing, he just keeps waddling towards me so I start backstepping to keep 20 feet or so between us.
He stopped. I stopped and watched. He kind of teetered and swayed like a drunk trying to stay upright.
Now there's no food that he's protecting. No young ones. I can't see or think of anything that makes his behvior make sense. So, I figure there's something wrong with this guy and I'm not about to get bit or scratched by some zombie raccoon.
Since I was in no hurry, I just watched him. He swayed. He turned. He took a few awkward, uncoordinated steps. I waited.
When he finally got over to the side of this wide trail with his back to me, I quickstepped past him on the other side of the trail. He didn't twitch, budge, or react.
So, how should we interact with animals we meet? We should minimize our impact and respect wildlife according to Leave No Trace principles. If our presence is affecting the animal's behavior then we are too close and should remove ourselves from the area.
Normally, an animal will scurry away from humans, recognizing us as threats. You've probably seen squirrels, chipmunks, birds, snakes, rabbits, maybe even turkey, deer, and fox while out hiking. They will run, fly, or slither away as fast as they can until they feel safe. Sometimes just a few feet to stop and look at you. At that point, our reaction should be to continue down the trail, leaving them alone.
But, if their behavior is inconsistent with what is normally expected then the situation might be dangerous. They may feel threatened and cornered, they may have young to protect, or they may be sick. In those cases, any animal may hold its ground or even attack.
When outdoors, keep your eyes and ears open for animals. If you notice any strange behavior, give ground and move away, probably back the way you came. Keep your eye on the animal. When the aggressive behavior stops or you feel you are a safe distance, watch the animal and make a plan. If you wait long enough, most likely the animal will move off the trail and you can continue.
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Posted: 11:46 10-17-2011 685
LNT Camporees
I met with our council's Outdoor Ethics Advocate and a couple other Leave No Trace master educators last night to discuss ways in which we might get LNT more integrated into the local Scouting program.
One idea that came up was to have Leave No Trace themed camporees. Rather than trying to convince districts to do this and come up with their own camporee program, it would be easier to get buy-in if a prepared program could be provided, thus cutting down their planning efforts.
So, this morning I went hunting for info. As it turns out, there have been a few such camporees held over the past decade. Here are a few webpages that have such LNT Camporee info, some vague and some with good ideas:
http://leavenotrace.info/wp-content/files/LNT_Fall_Camporee_2005.pdf
http://www.greenwichscouting.org/Calendar/tabid/74/vw/3/itemid/5/d/20110930/Default.aspx
http://www.angelfire.com/ill/wt/PDF/fallcamp04.pdf
http://www.housatonicbsa.org/Camping/Camporee/2009SpringCamporeeHandout.pdf
http://www.nonprofitpages.com/muirdistrict/camporee/2005CamporeeProgram.pdf
http://www.boyscoutsla.org/website/Frontier/Events/2011_Fall_Camporee_Packet.pdf
https://1bsa.org/tyfoon/site/fckeditor/file/Mtn%20Lakes%20Spring%202011%20Camporee.pdf
http://troop693.wdfiles.com/local:files/camporee-april-2009/camporee09.pdf
http://leavenotrace.info/wp-content/files/LNT_Camporee_Outline.PDF
http://troop693.wdfiles.com/local:files/camporee-april-2009/camporee09.pdf
Have you been to an LNT Camporee? How was it? If you can send me a document of the activities, contests, or program, that would be great!
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One idea that came up was to have Leave No Trace themed camporees. Rather than trying to convince districts to do this and come up with their own camporee program, it would be easier to get buy-in if a prepared program could be provided, thus cutting down their planning efforts.
So, this morning I went hunting for info. As it turns out, there have been a few such camporees held over the past decade. Here are a few webpages that have such LNT Camporee info, some vague and some with good ideas:
http://leavenotrace.info/wp-content/files/LNT_Fall_Camporee_2005.pdf
http://www.greenwichscouting.org/Calendar/tabid/74/vw/3/itemid/5/d/20110930/Default.aspx
http://www.angelfire.com/ill/wt/PDF/fallcamp04.pdf
http://www.housatonicbsa.org/Camping/Camporee/2009SpringCamporeeHandout.pdf
http://www.nonprofitpages.com/muirdistrict/camporee/2005CamporeeProgram.pdf
http://www.boyscoutsla.org/website/Frontier/Events/2011_Fall_Camporee_Packet.pdf
https://1bsa.org/tyfoon/site/fckeditor/file/Mtn%20Lakes%20Spring%202011%20Camporee.pdf
http://troop693.wdfiles.com/local:files/camporee-april-2009/camporee09.pdf
http://leavenotrace.info/wp-content/files/LNT_Camporee_Outline.PDF
http://troop693.wdfiles.com/local:files/camporee-april-2009/camporee09.pdf
Have you been to an LNT Camporee? How was it? If you can send me a document of the activities, contests, or program, that would be great!
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Posted: 8:25 10-14-2011 684
New Guide to Advancement
The 2011 Guide to Advancement is ready. It has a few significant changes and gives individual units more room to define their own expectations:
Councils may choose to make a transition over the next few months from the former advancement publication to the new Guide to Advancement. After January 1, however, the new guide must be consulted for all advancement procedures.
It would be a good idea to get this new document into the hands of your unit committee chair, advancement chair, and scoutmaster/advisor/cubmaster as soon as you can.
Download 2011 Guide to Advancement - 4.5MB PDF
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- Active Participation requirements updated. Units can set their own 'active' expectations.
- Position of Responsibility requirements updated. Units can set expectations to define the fulfillment of the position.
- Merit badge section revampd.
- Info about wearing uniform to Board of Review clarified - uniforms can not be mandatory.
- Changes in the Eagle Scout Service Project requirement.
- Awards and recognitions moved to a separate Guide to Awards and Insignia.
Councils may choose to make a transition over the next few months from the former advancement publication to the new Guide to Advancement. After January 1, however, the new guide must be consulted for all advancement procedures.
It would be a good idea to get this new document into the hands of your unit committee chair, advancement chair, and scoutmaster/advisor/cubmaster as soon as you can.
Download 2011 Guide to Advancement - 4.5MB PDF
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Posted: 8:37 10-10-2011 682
Trail First Aid
Yesterday was almost the last day for a German vistor hiking the White Mountains in New Hampshire. He apparently suffered a heart attack on the trail and went down. Fortunately, he is in a hospital in stable condition instead of a morgue today.
Another German tourist, not with the first, came by just moments later and began CPR. While CPR was being given, other hikers raced to the trailhead where they found a person with a cellphone. She called for help.
When an ambulance crew arrived, they revived him with their portable defibrillator and rushed him to the hospital.
Similar scenarios unfold every day. In just the past two weeks, hikers died in AR, CA, CO, ME, NH, NY, OR, and WA according to a google search. 20 people have died in Yosemite Natl Park alone this year.
If you come upon an injured hiker, would you know what to do? First Aid and CPR skills are overlooked by many that venture into the wilds. Be able to care for yourself, others in your group, and victims you may encounter - get some training.
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Another German tourist, not with the first, came by just moments later and began CPR. While CPR was being given, other hikers raced to the trailhead where they found a person with a cellphone. She called for help.
When an ambulance crew arrived, they revived him with their portable defibrillator and rushed him to the hospital.
Similar scenarios unfold every day. In just the past two weeks, hikers died in AR, CA, CO, ME, NH, NY, OR, and WA according to a google search. 20 people have died in Yosemite Natl Park alone this year.
If you come upon an injured hiker, would you know what to do? First Aid and CPR skills are overlooked by many that venture into the wilds. Be able to care for yourself, others in your group, and victims you may encounter - get some training.
Win $500 Camping Gear
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Posted: 16:06 10-07-2011 681
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Feb 25, 2023 - Joe Patterson
Just out of curiosity, are the Rockwell paintings on exhibit anywhere
Mar 16, 2023 - Adam John
Great question Joe! Have you checked out the Norman Rockwell Museum in
Stockbridge MA? (nrm.org) There is also the Rockwell Museum in Corning
NY. (rockwellmuseum.org) I believe the latter has more art. Hope this
helps!
Jan 21, 2024 - Johnna Downing
The Scouting museum at Philmont, Cimmaron, NM hopefully has the ones that
used to hang at the museum in Irving, TX. Good luck. Johnna
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