Square Knots - Meaning and Placement
The square knot device is displayed on the uniform to denote that the wearer has received the corresponding award. The award is usually in the form of a certificate and many awards also include a medallion or other memento.
A knot emblem does have left and right sides. The rope loop over the rope ends always is to the wearer's right. The diagram here shows how the knots would look to someone looking at the shirt. The knot images on the rest of this page all show the correct knot direction.
The square knots are to be worn centered directly above the left shirt pocket. The first knot should be placed with its bottom edge touching the top seam of the pocket flap. The next two knots are placed on both sides of the first knot in a straight row of three knots. Additional knots are placed directly above the first row with bottom edge touching top edge of the existing knots.
From the diagram, you can see that as additional knots are earned, single and double knots on a row need to be resewn. For this reason, some people prefer to place knots right-justified with the pocket edge.
|Arrow of Light Award|
Description: Red on green knot on tan background with yellow border.
|Eagle Scout Award|
Description: Red/white/blue on red/white/blue knot on tan background with tan border.
|Venturing Silver Award|
Description: Silver knot on dark green and white background with silver border.
The award will take at least 12 months to earn and all work must be completed before the Venturer's 21st birthday.
|Sea Scouts Quartermaster Award|
Description: Dark blue knot on white background with white border.
|Medal of Merit Award|
Description: Gold on Blue knot on tan background with tan border.
|Honor Medal Award|
Description: Red on red knot on tan background with tan border.
|William T. Hornaday Award|
Description: Green/blue/white on green/blue/white knot on tan background with tan border.
|Youth Religious Emblem Award|
Description: silver on silver knot on purple background with purple border.
|James E. West Fellowship Award|
Description: Gold on green knot on tan background with red border.
|Adult Religious Service Award|
Description: purple on purple knot on silver background with silver border.
|Community Organization Award|
Description: gold on gold knot on purple background with gold border.
|District Award of Merit|
Description: silver overhand knot on deep blue background with silver border.
|George Meany Award|
Description: blue on blue knot on red and white background with red and white border.
|Distinguished Commissioner Service Award|
Description: silver on silver knot on red background with silver border.
Requirements for Roundtable/Huddle Commissioners:
|Commissioner Award of Excellence in Unit Service|
Description: gold on gold knot on red background with gold border.
|Order of the Arrow Distinguished Service Award|
Description: white on white knot on red background with red border.
The award is a sterling silver arrowhead, bearing an arrow pointing upward and to the wearer's right, suspended from a white neck-ribbon upon which are embroidered red arrows. Presentation of the award is limit; nominations are open to both youth and adults.
Download a Application Form.
| As a movement whose leadership is overwhelmingly volunteer, the Boy Scouts of America recognizes the need to acknowledge the invaluable services that men and women render to youth. Of the hundreds of awards that the BSA presents each year to those on the local council, regional, and national levels, the Silver Buffalo, Silver Antelope, Silver Beaver, and Silver World awards are the most prestigious. Although the criteria are different for each of these awards, there is one common thread: The recognitions are granted by one's own peers in Scouting for distinguished service to youth. Other BSA awards, by comparison, are granted only to those who have completed a prescribed course of study or have participated in special training sessions.|
|Silver Buffalo Award|
Description: white on red knot on tan background with tan border.
|Silver Antelope Award|
Description: white on orange knot on tan background with tan border.
|Silver Beaver Award|
Description: white on blue knot on tan background with tan border.
|Whitney Young Jr. Service Award|
Description: white on black knot on tan background with red border.
The award is presented to people at all levels of the BSA. Recipients are approved nationally through nomination by local councils.
|William D. Boyce New Unit Organizer Award|
Description: silver knot on gold/green/red background with tan border.
The William D. Boyce New-Unit Organizer Award is presented to recognize volunteers who organize one or more traditional Scouting units. The award may be worn on the adult uniform. The award is a square knot placed over the three colors representing the three phases of the BSA program - Cub Scouting, Boy Scouting, and Venturing. A volunteer can earn the knot by organizing one traditional unit, and a program device can be earned for up to three additional units organized.
The award recognizes volunteers for organizing traditional units after March 1, 2005.
The award is administered by the Relationships Division and will be presented by the local council.
|¡Scouting ... Vale La Pena! Award|
Description: yellow on blue knot on red background with red border.
The purpose of the ¡Scouting...Vale la Pena! Service Award is to recognize outstanding services by an adult individual or an organization for demonstrated involvement in the development and implementation of Scouting opportunities for Hispanic American/Latino youth.
|Asian American Award|
Description: white on black knot on blue background with blue border.
The purpose of the Asian American Spirit of Scouting Service Award is to recognize outstanding
services by an adult individual or an organization for demonstrated involvement in the development and implementation of Scouting opportunities for Asian American youth.
|International Scouter Award|
Description: white on purple knot on tan background with purple border.
The International Scouter's Award encourages Scouters to broaden their involvement in Scouting through participation in world Scouting activities and recognizes Scouters for their contributions to world Scouting.
Applicants must be currently registered adult Scouters of the Boy Scouts of America.
All applicants must receive the approval of their local council's international committee chairperson or international representative and their council Scout executive.
Complete any six of the following, from at least three of the following categories:
|Silver World Award|
Description: Blue globe with three stars on red and white striped background with dark green border. Worn with two stars to wearer's right. Colors correspond to red and white striped ribbon on medal.
The award is a distinguished service award similar to the Silver Buffalo, Silver Antelope, and Silver Beaver.
The Boy Scouts of America may award the Silver World Award for distinguished service to youth on an international basis upon the following basis and procedure:
The award will be suspended upon a red and white ribbon and will be worn about the neck of the recipient, when such practice does not conflict with approved uniforming policy.
Nominations should be submitted to the International Division for consideration of a special selection committee.
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|Venturing Leadership Award|
Description: Silver knot on green/red/blue background with silver border.
The Venturing Leadership Award is presented by councils, regions, or National Council to venturers having made exceptional contributions to Venturing and who exemplify the Venturing code and oath.
|Speaker Bank Award|
Description: Gold knot on black background with black border.
This award has been discontinued - see this page.
The BSA Speaker Bank program is intended to spread the Scouting message through speakers at clubs and organizations. Every registered speaker will receive an official speaker pin and certificate. After giving 10 speeches, the speaker receives a patch. The award knot is given to speakers after delivering 20 speeches.
|NESA Life Membership Award|
Description: Red/white/blue on red/white/blue knot on tan background with silver border.
The National Eagle Scout Association has made this knot available to Life Members. Show your NESA Life Membership card at a local Scout Shop and purchase the knot.
Either the Eagle Scout knot or the NESA Life knot are worn, not both.
|Philmont Training Center Master Track Award|
Description: Red knot on yellow background with yellow border.
The Philmont Training Center, the National Volunteer Training Center for the Boy Scouts of America, has developed a PTC Masters Track Program that encourages Scouting leaders to receive training themselves, yet also to help provide training to other leaders in their units, district, council, and other councils. The purpose of this program is to offer continuing educational opportunities so that Scouters have incentives to return, over a number of years, to take advanced training at the Center, and to be able to take their knowledge back to units, district, councils, council clusters, national and international venues to benefit Scouts and Scouters. All actions for the PTC Masters Track Square Knot must be earned after June 1, 2008. Courses taken prior to this date will not be counted.
|Doctorate of Commissioner Science Award|
Description: Grey knot on red background with gold border.
The Doctorate of Commissioner Science Award Knot is available to any currently active commissioner at any position by completing these requirements. Approval is administered by the local council through the council commissioner and the professional advisor to commissioner service. The knot once earned can be purchased through the Supply Group at your local Scout Shop or Council Distributor.
Description: Blue/red/yellow on blue/red/yellow knot on silver background with gold border.
Complete requirements in each of four general categories:
Complete the Application Form which details the requirements.
|Den Leader Award|
Description: gold on gold knot on blue field with blue border.
Tenure: Complete one year as a registered den leader in the position selected. Tiger Cub den leader’s tenure can be the program year as long as it is greater than eight months.
Do five of the following during the tenure used for this award:
|Unit Leader Award of Merit|
Description: gold on gold knot on blue field with gold border.
|Scouter Key Award|
Description: white on green knot on tan field with tan border.
Cubmaster's Key Award Requirements:
Scoutmaster's Key Award Requirements:
Venturing Advisor's Key Award Requirements:
Skipper's Key Award Requirements:
Varsity Coach's Key Award Requirements:
District Committee Key Award Requirements: Keep track of your progress in earning the District Committee Key Award with this progress record document.
District Commissioner Key Award Requirements: Keep track of your progress in earning the District Commissioner Key Award with this progress record document.
Roundtable Commissioner Key Award Requirements: Keep track of your progress in earning the Roundtable Commissioner Key Award with this progress record document.
Unit Commissioner Key Award Requirements: Keep track of your progress in earning the Unit Commissioner Key Award with this progress record document.
|Scout Leader's Training Award|
Description: green on green knot on tan field with tan border.
Cub Scout Award Requirements:
Boy Scout Award Requirements:
Venturing Award Requirements:
Sea Scout Award Requirements:
Varsity Award Requirements:
|Sea Badge Conference Participation|
Description: Blue trident on white background with silver border. (White on blue is also available for blue uniform.)
The Single Trident is the only official knot and is presented to conference attendees; double trident is for staff members; triple trident is for course directors.
|Professional Training Award|
Description: black on black knot on white field with black border.
This award may be earned by: Associate District Executives, District Executives, Senior District Executives, Exploring Executives, Senior Exploring Executives, District Directors, and Field Directors with supervisory responsibilities.
Description: Red on red knot on white background with white border.
This award has been discontinued on December 31, 2012.
Description: Light blue over light blue knot on gold field with gold border.
This award has been discontinued. Scouters already working on it have until December 31, 2013 to finish.
Cubmasters can now earn the Scouter's Key award.
Tenure: Serve as a registered assistant Cubmaster for one year and a registered Cubmaster for one year, or serve as a registered Cubmaster for two years.
|Cub Scouter Award|
Description: Gold over light blue knot on blue field with blue border.
This award has been discontinued. Scouters already working on it have until December 31, 2013 to finish.
Pack leaders can now earn the Scout Leader's Training award.
Tenure: Complete two years as a registered adult leader in a Cub Scout pack.
Do five of the following:
|Pack Trainer Award|
Description: Blue and Gold knot on gold field with blue border.
This award has been discontinued. Scouters already working on it have until December 31, 2013 to finish.
Tenure: Complete two years as a registered pack trainer.
|Tiger Cub Den Leader Award|
Description: Black over orange knot on gold field with orange border.
This award has been discontinued. Scouters already working on it have until December 31, 2012 to finish.
All den leaders can now earn the Den Leader's award.
Tenure: Complete one year as a registered Tiger Cub den leader (or coach)
Do all of the following:
|WEBELOS Den Leader Award|
Description: orange on orange knot on gold field with gold border.
This award has been discontinued. Scouters already working on it have until December 31, 2012 to finish.
All den leaders can now earn the Den Leader's award.
Tenure: Complete one year as a registered Webelos den leader.
Do seven of the following:
|Scouter Award of Merit|
Description: white on white knot on tan field with tan border.
Superceded by Unit Leader Award of Merit
Scoutmaster Award Requirements:
Venturing Advisor Award Requirements:
Varsity Scout Coach Award Requirements:
Mar 08, 2012 - Richard M. Misanko
I have 2 questions:
1: is there a limit as to how many knots a leader may wear on his uniform ? I have heard some say 9 others say 12.
2: which knot does a leader earn for being on RT staff?Some say its the Scouters Key award ,while others say its the Scout Leaders Training award.
2. Scouters Training Award - see scouting.org/filestore/pdf/34169-60.pdf
"Wearing medals and embroidered knots
Only five medals may be worn at a time pinned in a single row immediately above the seam of the left pocket. Knots are worn above the left pocket in rows of three. The order of wearing of medals and knots is at the discretion of the wearer. It is suggested that the medal or knot deemed most important by the wearer be worn on his or her own right. Embroidered knots are representative of pin-on medals or around-the-neck awards and are designed for the convenience of the wearer. In the case of the District Award of Merit and Professional Training Award, the knot is the only wearable insignia."
The bronze octagonal medal you describe sounds like the old BSA archery medal. It is a pre-1950 award in bronze, gold, and silver (see raremedal.com/boy-scout-archery-contest-medal for confirmation). There is no knot for this medal, as it is more akin to a modern cub scout pinewood derby medal. If not, there are many other similar medals from the first few decades of scouting that are now incredibly rare. Mitch Reis is an excellent refrence online as he is one of the nation's top BSA memorabilia collectors. Good luck in your search.
Also, if not the archery medal, there are many many other 'contest medals' if the same era of the same design, each with different markings on the medallion itself, but all with blue ribbons. Nowadays, all BSA boy scout 'contest medals' use a generic design and are very common and can be found in any scout shop. A quick google search or email to Reis should get you a final answer.
Easy is in the eye of the beholder. Very, very few Seabadge conferences are held every year in the nation. I do not believe that youth can attend Seabadge, as you must be a registered adult to attend. Youth sea scouts CAN however, take/earn/wear the Sea Scout Advanced Leadership Training (SEAL) qualification pin (which resembles a silver US Navy submarine warfare qualification badge, the double dolphins). While youth cannot earn the Seabadge trident, the SEAL dolphins pin is likewise only earned by youth and does not transfer to the uniform of an adult sea scouter. Hope this helps.
The Arrow of Light is the only one that is Cub Scout specific that can be worn after Cub Scouting. The others are not for any specific age, rank, or program.
You can find the official insignia information in the Insignia Guide ( currently at scouting.org/scoutsource/Media/InsigniaGuide.aspx )
So, WHY? - well, you'd have to ask the national committees to know for sure, but possibly:
- reduce chest clutter
- reduce expensive of manufacturing and stocking patches
- simplifying the recognition structure for adults
The parents you mention can still receive recognition, just different patches.
You need to add info about the devices that are worn on the knots to indicate multiple awards in different programs.
Without a local council alumni relations committee, you can't get approval for this award since it needs to be approved by both the council Scout Executive and alumni committee chair. You would need to contact the national headquarters to find out if there are any ways to get around that requirement. Maybe you could start the alumni relations committee in your council - scouting.org/filestore/alumni/pdf/Alumni_Committee_Structure.pdf
Every den leader gets to wear a Den Leader patch - that's their basic recognition. Those that complete training for their position get to wear the Trained patch. Those that complete the minimal requirements for the Den Leader Award get to wear that knot patch.
I blieve the UoS, PowWow, Roundtable requirement is to promote interaction with other scouters and is an important part of earning the award.
Also, I don't think the three sea badge conference knots are the BSA issues....they look like a "private issue"....
The only thing you need to do to get the NESA knot is pay $250 for a lifetime membership - does that warrant wearing yet another knot?
Wearing the NESA lifetime member knot DOES say you are an Eagle and a NESA member - you wouldn't be wearing it unless you were both - so you don't need to wear both knots to prove it.
There is no distinction between Jr. and Sr. Webelos - they are just Webelos scouts.
@Eagle Mike. You are the second person I've heard that rumor from but it's always on internet sites. I've seen the BSA press release on the cub leader knots and its been discussed for a year. Where did you hear about the Seabadge knot ending? Be careful about rumors if www.scouting.org hasn't made any official statement.
1. AoL Knot - ONLY worn by Adults or is the square knot presented at the same time as the AoL patch and both can be worn on the Boy Scout uniform?
2. Den Leader Award - how do Overseas Packs participate in the Pow-Wow/University or 4 Roundtable meetings? We have monthly Committee Roundtable meetings, but we are the only BSA registered Pack in the country. Would Pack Committe Roundtables apply? It would appear not - and therefore I can't see how best to recognize the outstanding service or some of our dedicated Den Leaders, at least for this year. IS THIS AWARD BEING DISCONTINUED?
3. Cub Scout Training Award seems to be replacing the Cub Scouter award previously given to leaders. Same question really, in addition to the Pow Wow or Roundtable Requirement, there is an additional MUST which is to do one additional training at council, area, regional or national level. Overseas travel to attend doesn't seem likely.
@OPC. 1: Knot only. Adults never wear the eagle or AoL badges. 2&3: Good questions! If you are the only pack in your foreign country, contact your higher district and ask their policy. Most councils count BALOO or OWL cub leader training as part of the University of Scouting, so you chould use those trainings to qualify if you've done them. Good luck with this, an unusual situation.
There are three levels of award:
Council: Medallion suspended from blue and white ribbon and worn around the neck. (For unit-, district-, and council-level recognition.)
Area/Region: Medallion suspended from green and white ribbon and worn around the neck.
National: Medallion suspended from red and white ribbon and worn around the neck.
From your explanation, you received the Webelos Den Leader award for being a WDL and that makes sense. Your time from 09 through 12, if you were officially registered with the Pack during that time, could be applied towards the Cub Scouter award or the Scout Leader's Training award. If that is at least 4 years, then you've accumulated enough time for both those awards. Of course, there are a bunch of other requirements to be met during the tenure used for those awards.
At boyscouttrail.com/i/knots.jpg or on page 16 of the current Scouting magazine, you can see a scouter with 22 knots on his uniform. That's the most I've seen.
Paperwork for the Cubmaster Award and the Cub Scouter Award both say "Dates of service used to earn this award cannot be used to earn another key or award." The paperwork for the Unit Leader Award of Merit does not have this same limitation listed.
My question is whether with 4 years of service as Cubmaster, we can award all three to our Cubmaster, or just two of them. She will be moving on in December and we would like to recognize her with some knots before she goes. Are these the best ones to consider?
She never attended advanced training, so Cubmaster's Key has a missing requirement, but she has done all for Cubmaster, Cub Scouter, and Unit Leader Award of Merit.
Question: My Webelos Den leader, my Den Leader, and my Tiger den leader awards. Can they be replaced by three Cub Scout devices, worn on my Boy Scout Leader's Training Award knot? on the Medal ribbon?
As for your second question, you may wear three devices on the Den Leader Award knot (not the Scout Leader Training Award knot) if you desire: webelos, cub scout, and the yet-to-be-designed Tiger devices. Or you can continue to wear the three seperate knots from the old system. Remember, the knot is not the award, just the uniform patch for it. The old den leader award was discontinued with the rest, but the patch still exists for the new Den Leader Training Award for all DLs. Finally, a new medal is being designed for the new DLTA, so you may purchase and wear it with three devices if you so choose. I advice continuing to wear the old knots, as they were earned under the old system and will soon be rare.
In theory, a recipient of the Honor Medal (HM) and the Honor Medal with Crossed Palms (HMCP) could wear the red HM knot twice (one with the HMCP palms device), but there is no record of such a double-recipient in BSA history so such a uniform configuration will remain theory and speculation until one happens.
When an adult steps forward to volunteer, I explain that recognition is available and important, give him the tracking card for the awards for that position, and then hope he tracks the requirements. After that, it's up to him to complete the requirements. Some folks enjoy collecting trinkets, patches, and certificates - others couldn't care less.
I'd fill out the form and turn it in. The SPL needs to create a statement supporting the nomination but the current SPL wasn't SPL a year ago. So, I'd have both the past and present SPLs add a statement.
A AoL patch or knot would be inappropriate (if that's what it is and not an OA patch) for a female scouter.
There are lots of ways to get a knot on a uniform if that is what someone is looking for. You can buy one for a $1000 contribution. Youth have Religious Emblems, Arrow of Light, and Eagle - all with knot patches, but the Eagle knot is not worn until and adult.
Why are the Community Organization Award and the Unit Leader Award of Merit so similar. Both are Gold on Gold! BSA works hard to ensure none of these awards look the same, and it was pointed out to me today...there is almost no difference between these two knots. (I happen to wear one)
This is not all the knots. In BSA history, there have been 52 knots, 45 are on this site. Of the 7 missing; 4 are obsolete explorer awards from the 1940s-60s, 2 are obsolete training awards, and 1 is an Exploring award for adults. Additionally, there are 2 BSA awards (the two Hornaday badges) that are not knots, but worn with them, and one international (i.e. not BSA) award that has a knot patch that BSA recognizes, but does not administer.
My old SM started a troop in 1992, and was SM for 10 or 12 years. He completed WB and a ton of other training. He was eligible for all of this, but the committee chair never turned any of the paperwork in like she was supposed to. I was a youth at the time, but just found this out. He is now serving as the Charter Rep for the same troop. Just wanted to see if it was too late to recognize him. I can get letters from at least 10 of his Eagles if that helps.
The idea is for the unit leader to put in effort to meet, interact with, and learn from other scouters from other units in the community, every year while serving in his role.
If he's not attended any of these events over the years as Cubmaster, then he's not completed the requirements for the recognition.
Completing paperwork now for a role done years ago, so a patch can be worn, seems like extra work to me, but there is no time limit of which I am aware. You could complete the forms, turn them in, and see what happens. Or, contact your district training chair or district executive and find out what the local feeling is on this, since they're the ones that would push it through or let it wait.
Thanks from an old timer
Any particular knot patch you are thinking of that could be considered an 'arrow award'? I'm at a loss for what award you are talking about specifically.
As I stated before, I do not subscribe to rumors and always want an official statement/notification from BSA National before I accept rumor as fact. Here it is.
According to Scouting.org (www.scouting.org/About/FactSheets/Lifesaving_Action.aspx) the Medal for Heroism was DISCONTINUED on Dec. 31st, 2012 after 6,077 awards from 1923-2012. I found this as I always download the BSA Fact Sheet on the lifesaving and meritorious action awards when it is published each year (Feb/Mar or so) for my research project on Honor Medal recipients.
I have not confirmed this from any other OFFICIAL source, but this is from the proper BSA website. I hope this is not true, but it seems reliably to be A piece of BSA valor is no more.
When compared to the 2011 fact sheet, the MH total awards should read 3,506, an increase of 155 from the 3,351 in 2011. Where 6,077 came from I have no idea. www.scouting.org/Media/MediaKit/Awards.aspx shows the right numbers, but fails to mention the discontinuance.
Also, the 2012 Hornaday Award totals should be more akin to 6,800 with an increase from the 6,600 last year. Where 4,433 came from is also a mystery.
The other tallys are correct as I cross-refrenced them.
Yes, its a blog, but the editor's blog for Scouting Magazine, which is more official than most things out there in internetland. ;)
As with any phaseout/requirement change, you can finish the old award you were working on provided you (a) started before the change was announced (again, June 2012) and will finish before a set deadline (for example, Dec 31, 2012 for the old Webelos DL Award). I am not aware of any such deadline for the STA or SK as their insignia and awars did not change, only the requirements. Fortuniately for you, the STA medal, device, and knot did not change so you will lose nothing by way of insignia like the cub leaders lost with these changes.
The CM Key is NOT the same award as the CMTA. The Cub Scouter Award is NOT the same as the STA. The WDLA and TDLA are the next generation of the DLTA. With that in mind, you still can replace your old 4 knots with the new 3. I would advise against it for two reasons. (1) BSA says you can earn the new awards in addition to the old. This implies wearing both once you do. (2) The requirements are very different (3 vs 2 years for the cumbaster awards).
Of course, in the same breath, the BSA says you can swap them out if you want and use devices (you'd wear 4 pins on 3 knots if you did). It's very confusing and poorly done. I too have 6 of the 7 old cub leader knots (all but Cubmaster Award). I bought about 4 of each before they're out of stock and will wear what I earned...not the training awards I didn't earn. That's how I feel about it.
I can't find the initial announcement in Fall 2012, but I do find theses references in the Spring 2012 edition "The Training Times" on scouting.org:
"Scouters who have earned the awards previously will still be able to wear the OLD KNOTS as long as they are available."
"Scouters who have begun work on the awards using the previous requirements will be able to finish with the old requirements, or can choose to use the new ones."
However, the second quote refers to the the awards that have NOT been discontinued, but rather the ones where the requirements have changed.
Nowhere can I find any verbiage that indicates that you are allowed to consolidate your old knots into the new ones. I'm forced to the conclusion that if you have completed the requirements for the OLD Cub Scout Awards, you are only allowed to wear the OLD knots if you can get them.
Similarly, look at the Hornaday awards (there are 7 different ones). In 2012, only 216 Hornaday awards were presented (all three medals, two badges, and two certificates). Substantial and rare too, right? Yet the badge recipients get no knot and the certificate reipient groups get no insignia either. Not all awards have insignia, no matter how rare. If they did, why have certificates at all if everyone gets a patch? There'd be no cutoff between acts (heroism/merit/conservation/etc) of different degrees of significance. Hope it helps.
I couldn't possibly agree with you more. I remember my first summer camp as an adult a couple of years ago and standing in line at the dining hall behind a gentleman with General's equivilant of knots/awards on his uniform. I asked him what they were all for and I heard over and over, "I did this..." and "I did that..."
All I could think about was, "What about the boys?!? Are they inspired or demoralized by your bravado?"
Glad I'm not alone.
Good luck in our scouting venture, and I'm sure you too will have many knots before long.
As a side note, the Woods Service Award reciepeants may now also wear the Community Organization Award
However, there is a knot-the Community Organization Award knot-that can be earned by VFW scouters who earn the "VFW Scouter's Achievement Award". This is the same knot earned by any of 18 awards given by non-BSA organizations for service to the BSA and is a BSA knot for a non-BSA award. A bit confusing, but it works. I do not know if the VFW awards this to all eligible VFW scouters, or has a limited annual quota (I am not a VFW member), but your local post should be able to help you out. Good luck.
In my opinion, in this case, it would signify that you've been a Cubmaster or Asst. Cubmaster for 5 years since counting the same tenure for both awards doesn't seem correct.
With the recent revisions to the square knots, is it all right to wear the Unit Leader Award of Merit knot, with the appropriate devices, instead of the older knots?
I understand the new requirements are different than the older ones. But if the intention is to remove clutter rom the uniforms, this would work. I just haven't been able to find a definitive answer. It's as if no one wants to address such a question for us old-timers coming back around.
I have to admit that my shirt is quite colorful with all the older knots attached, and frequently invokes questions from parents, boys, and other Scouters - especially since so many of the knots have been discontinued.
Of course, you have discovered what most of us old timers know. The older knots invoke questions and curiosity which can lead to great discussions and inspiration. I'd say stick with what you've got, and the recently retired ones aren't that old that they're not still available in some scout stores if you need to fix up a new uniform. Good luck.
Oh, well, maybe they will all go on to earn their William T. Hornaday or Doctorate of Commissioner Science or Distinguished Commissioner Service Award ribbons some day.
Thanks for letting me vent...
There are A LOT of knot changes happening, some real, most rumored. What you were told most likely stemmed from a misunderstanding of these changes. If what you described ever did occur, as you were already 2/3 done with your key, you would be grandfathered in under the old (current) system.
Another RUMORED commissioner knot change is that the Distinguished Commissioner Award and the Commissioner Award of Excellence in Unit Service will be either both retired, merged, or some other change. At present, 100% rumor. If it came true, this still would not effect your Commissioner's Key.
Out of curiosity, which Commissioner's Key are you doing...unit, roundtable, etc?
Lifeguard is already a qualification patch, and Wood Badge has the beads originating from B-Ps first 1919 course. With Wood Badge especially, don't expect to see any insignia that is not internationally used, and the BSA's square knots are not international. With the two examples oyu named, there is already ample recognition.
Your's in Scouting,Alan Slusser
"The one time that two of the same knot can be worn is the current (***update, this knot is now discontinued***) blue/gold knot that represents the Cub Scouter Award (CSA). This knot used to be the Den Leader Coach Award (DLCA) from 1975-88. In 1989, a new knot (blue on blue ropes, blue background, blue border...as blue as the Webelos DL Award is yellow and not pictured on this website) was made for the DLCA and the old knot accidentally became the CSA. BSA acknowledged their mistake, and scouters who earned the DLCA from '75-'88 and the CSA from '89-2013 can wear the same knot twice (or could exchange the first one for the 'newer' all blue knot)."
Bottom line: don't wear non-authorized knots.
One of Scouters biggest regrets is not earning the rank of Eagle, they may have done a lot of work in scouts as a youth but if they didn't earn Eagle there's nothing to show for it.
On nomination only awards, you don't ask or try to convince anyone to nominate you. They are gifts and not really awards; given for hard work and dedication to the level of the award.
I became scoutmaster somewhere between January and February of 2012. When did the new requirements for the scouter's award changed ?Do I have to follow the old or new requirements for the scouter's training award?
The training awards and keys are designed to recognize unit Scouters for tenure, basic and continuing training, and successful performance in their leadership role.
Progress record forms with the new requirements for these awards can be found at www.Scouting.org/training
After going through this website, I get the feeling that he can't wear it but probably there is specific BSA recognition for his volunteer work. Either the Medal of Merit or Community Organization Award. You can find info on his achievement here:
The two questions are; Can he wear the Presidential pin or should receive BSA specific recognition? Or should his volunteer work be thought of as separate from the Boy Scouts?
You could seek additional recognition through the Medal of Merit path. The Community Organization award is for adult volunteers.
You can find a list of recognized awards at scouting.org here:
You would receive the award, along with the knot and a device repesenting the award for the knot. Hope that clears things up for you.
There are different levels of the James E West dependant upon how much to donate to your Council's fund. 1910 society for example is $25,000 or more. You can find more information here: www.scouting.org/filestore/financeimpact/pdf/MajorGiftRecognitionPrograms.pdf
In our Council I know you don't even need to make your donation all up front and can pay it over 4 years. All payment types are accepted. Hope that helps you out!
So the question is what religion are you going through?
1. Have a minimum of 5 years of service to the church.
2. Have a minimum of 5 years of service (be fully trained and exhibit past and present leadership) in the
youth agency (BSA, GSUSA, CFUSA, AHG).
This is also a nomination award on the level of District Award of Merit, where you must be nominated by someone other than yourself or spouse.
You can find more information about it at:
I don't mean to rain on your parade and do hope this information helps!! Best of luck in your Scouting!
Keep in mind though that you can only wear three at a time on one knot.
Eagle Palms are a bit different, you wear the combination that was earned.
Can a person asked to reorganize a previously defunct unit (more than 3 years), qualify for the William D. Boyce award?
SQUARE KNOT AWARD ? Offered years ago Purple gold knot
@Scouter Paul: The unit he describes isn't inactive, it's Dropped. That means, if it comes back, it's New.
The same could be said for MB counsellors, who can make a real difference in the impact a MB May have.
scouters training award for cub scouting ( which replaced the cubscouter award) can you wear both?
I like wearing the Cub Scouter knot because now a days it's rare and very hard to find. Just remember that there is a limit to how many you can wear and should not clutter your uniform.
If you are not near a Shop you can order them online at scoutstuff.org . You can't order them directly on the site but you can call to order what you need.
Come in different backgrounds for venture and
Boy Scout uniforms?
There is actually NOT a "limit" of how many knots one can wear on a uniform. It is RECOMMENDED that only 9 knots be worn at a time; however it is not a "hard and fast" rule. It IS up to the discretion of the wearer. I've been to Philmont and have seen 15 and even 18 knots on one shirt. Was it overbearing? No. I thought it looked sharp. Just like military personnel that have 20+ "ribbons". It looks sharp!
Regardless - if you earn more than 9 knots and don't want to wear more than 9 at a time, then I recommend just putting the extras on a different scout shirt. So wear knots 1-9 on one shirt and then wear 10-18 on a 2nd shirt, etc.
Bottom line - have FUN with it and remember the REAL reason you are receiving these knots. It's about the accomplishments, story, and SERVICE behind each knot. It's not about the knot itself of course. Just like the Eagle Rank tells a story and is worn in pride. But the badge itself is a trinket.
Go forth and serve!
Receiving a square knot for the President's Environmental Youth Award, National Medal of Science, Pulitzer Prize, or Nobel Prize would be similar and the list would go on forever.
@David Hess. No, there are no knots to recognize professions in the BSA, and never will be. Check the May 27, 2013 posts above for more information.
Plus, I am adding my discontent with the "pins replacing the knot-patches" also.
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